Project Maker Interviews

by Jeffrey Yamaguchi

Photographer Matthew Kraus has documented a soundless and unorganized protest that occurred around the time of the 2004 Republican National Convention in the East Village neighborhood of New York City — an onslaught of sticker art, some angry, some humorous, but all political, stuck on all manner of surfaces for as long as the glue would hold. Instead of images of the rallies and marches and arrests, Kraus went after something else with his lens, and though it wasn’t announced with press releases or shown on the news, that doesn’t necessarily mean it went unnoticed. Indeed, it was hard to miss – at least as a view here and a quick glance there. But it is Kraus’ photographic collection — Sticker Shock — which presents a fuller view of this rather haphazard form of protest. The 112-page book, which features exquisite photographs of the stickers on the surfaces of street lamps, parking meters, windows and walls, provides a rather unique insight into what was going on below the surface in one particular neighborhood during a time in which people were doing their best to stir up political upheaval (or at least paying attention to the political landscape).

How did you start taking pictures of the stickers? Was it something that occurred to you gradually, or were you walking around the East Village and it immediately struck you how all these stickers had popped up?

Living in the East Village for the last 6-plus years has afforded me the opportunity to observe an incredibly diverse group of unique people, places, and art…particularly street art. The sheer volume of graffiti, installation work, stencils, paintings, fliers and stickers can at times be so overwhelming as to render the viewer immune to their content. I have always considered myself a connoisseur of the graphic arts, and a consummate observer. One of the things I enjoy most about living in the East Village, and New York City in general, is the cacophony of “voices” that one hears from not just the people in the street, or the sounds of the cars, trucks, and buses, but from the art as well. The East Village has forever been known as a bastion of rebellion, so there had always been a fair amount of political commentary found in the street. But, leading up to the Republican Convention, I noticed this particular “voice” becoming louder and louder, reaching an absolute crescendo during the convention itself. Taking the pictures began as an exercise in simply cataloging what I was seeing for myself.

I have for many years had a voracious appetite for all things graphic. At the time my morning routine consisted of walking my 3-year-old son 12 blocks through the Alphabet City section of the East Village to school, and then back to catch my bus to the West Village where I work. During the days that I was shooting I would simply take a different route to my son’s school, and then a different route back, capturing along the way all of the convention/Bush/politically related stickers that I saw. I must say that it did become a mild obsession. There were simply so many. Anecdotally, it was interesting going through the process of explaining to my son what I was doing when he would ask me why we were stopping. It became sort of a cathartic process, explaining why all of these people were so upset, and who they were upset with, in simple enough terms for a 3-year-old to understand. For me it was all part of the process of digesting what was going on in the place that was essentially the epicenter of one of the largest protests of my generation.

Did you do any research to find out where all these stickers were coming from? Where were the stickers coming from? Who was making them? Who was distributing them? Who was putting them up?

Well, much of that was dictated by the inclusion of an author/artist or in most cases a web address on the sticker. I did contact as many people as I could once the collection was slated to appear as a book. If to do nothing else, to simply let them know that I had heard their voices, and wanted the rest of the world to hear them as well. Several of the stickers that appear in the book have copyright symbols on them, so those people were contacted out of shear practicality, as I had to obtain permission to display their work in the book. Many, if not all inquiries on my part to contact the author/artists of the stickers were met with nothing but enthusiasm and appreciation. People were very receptive to the idea of their sentiments being spread to an even larger audience than those who saw them on the street. Plus, you have to know that the project was being put together before the election, on the heels of the convention, so the rebellious, protesting spirit was still full of the idea that we all might make an actual difference in the outcome. I also had a book release event that was attended by some of the creators of the stickers. I was very touched by the appreciation that they showed for my efforts to get the book out, and try to disseminate their collective voices. Ironically of course, I am the most appreciative of them, for if they had not put in the work to make those stickers, I would have no book. After the book came out, I was contacted by several people who came across the book, and had stickers of theirs appear in it contents. I still keep in touch with some of them, as we share a passion for the same sort of dialogue. It’s funny when you put your effort into something like this, as with most artistic endeavors, how you really do make meaningful connections with those that you share the same spirit with. In the case of this book, the common thread among us (myself, and those who produced the stickers that appear in the book) most obviously, was our dissatisfaction with our representative government and it’s policies. More subtly I would say we shared a passion for graphics and how it relates to pubic discourse of any kind.

Were you involved in the protests during the Republican Convention? How much of the Sticker Shock project is political, and how much is it documentation?

I really wasn’t all that directly involved with the protests. However, living in the area that I do, you couldn’t help but feel that you were part of a movement. At the time I really was just putting all my available efforts into capturing what was going on. With this project, as with anything like it, things really were working on multiple levels for me. The project was both political and documentation. They really never felt mutually exclusive to me. While it started out as a simple cataloging of what was going on around me, I was certainly drawn to this particular subject because of it’s content. It can certainly be discerned from the content of the book that I lean a little more to the left than some. That in itself is not at all uncommon in the area that I live, but very early in my collecting of these images I noticed that they were not only being put up, but torn down as well. This “conversation” became just as interesting to me as the message of the stickers themselves: A sort of public debate.

On that note, I’ve been asked by several people why I didn’t include any of the “pro-Bush” stickers that I came across in the book. Funny enough, I did actually come across one. On the way to my son’s school, I saw one of the classic Bush/Cheney ’04 stickers placed on top of a sticker calling for the “No To The Bush Agenda!” rally that was to take place on the Sunday before the convention. I was running late, so I decided to get a shot of that on my way back. By the time I returned, no more than twenty minutes later, someone had already placed another “…Bush Agenda” sticker on top. The image of that exchange appears in the book, and it is that “discussion” that was really the impetus for the cover image for the book. A torn image of President Bush with the word Traitor below it, eerily still recognizable as its subject. Another motivating factor for me to produce a book of this nature was that it felt to me like the popular media was not doing its part to publicize this particular voice. At a very primal level I think that this project just felt like it was a very small contribution that I could make to the collective consciousness of the movement.

Why do you feel the stickers during the convention are worth documenting? What is it about the stickers that inspired you to create the Sticker Shock project?

On one level I feel that the book is important because it captures a moment in a time of tremendous historical significance. And during that moment, a very particular, possibly overlooked form of protest and personal expression. It is also very simply an anthology of a very graphic form. As a graphic artist myself I was really blown away by the shear magnitude of the effort many of these artists put into expressing their messages. I mean, you really have every style of graphic interpretation here…from illustration, both crude and precise, to stickers that use strictly text. In a much more broad sense I think that these stickers convey an oft-overlooked version of patriotism. That concept it seems has become so convoluted in the minds of so many people. The people who created these stickers did so with such passion and personal expression, I felt that at the very least their voices should be amplified. With regards to creating the Sticker Shock project in particular, I have always enjoyed arranging collections of my photographs into book form for myself. The book form I have found is a great way to consolidate a group of images and still convey pacing, movement and story. Not to mention what it feels like to simply hold a book in your hand. They really are an incredibly powerful, portable device, often underappreciated in this digital age. This aspect of portability was the catalyst for the final size of the book. I really did want it to feel like a journal or manifesto of sorts; something the reader could carry around with them and share with others. The format itself became clear as the collection of photographs began to reveal a recognizable narrative thread. I have never in my experience had the opportunity to work with so many photographs that had so much copy. En masse, I did attempt to tell something of a story with the way that I arranged the images in the book, complete with subsections and chapters. It did interest me right away that I might have a photography book that you could actually “read”.

Stickers can certainly convey an opinion. Do you think that they can change someone’s opinion?

This brings up an interesting point actually. I never have felt like this book was going to change the individual hearts and minds of those that disagree with its sentiment. I do however feel that the more people who contribute to a collective consciousness of any kind, the more that message will begin to permeate itself in less informed, less agreeable communities. You can’t simply bite your tongue because you are “preaching to the choir” as they say, because if you do, than no one is saying anything at all.

How did the book project come about? How did you go about getting your photographs published in book form?

About a month after I took the photographs I had a fully designed dummy of the book, very closely resembling the final book that went into production. Caught up in the excitement of what was going on at the time, with all the looming protests, and vigilant talk, I strongly considered shopping it around for publication. Because of the quick turnaround it would require to get the book out before the election, I wanted to have all the information at my fingertips to provide a potential publisher with a turn-key product. Carolyn Burbridge has been a color separator and print broker I have been working with for several years. I simply approached her for an estimate of costs to produce the book. I must have really had the luck of the Irish, because after seeing the project, she generously and enthusiastically offered to produce and publish the book herself. She really did bring the book to life, and for that I will be eternally grateful.

How are you getting the word out about the book?

Most of the marketing has been done by either word-of-mouth (which of course includes the passing along of emails about the book), or by directly contacting independent booksellers about carrying the book. We also had an event to launch the book, where we had the book for sale to get the word out. I think it has helped that the organizations that were made aware of their presence in the book passed along that information to their own constituents. We are beginning to get the word out to different press outlets as well. It really is your quintessential grass roots operation at this point.

What are you taking photographs of now? What’s your next project?

At the moment I am simply back to my routine of shooting the things around me that draw my attention. What project that turns into, only time will tell.

What book/photographer/artist has most influenced your own artistic efforts?

You know, over the years I have been influenced by so many artists, it would be difficult to pinpoint who I would credit with most influencing my work. But I can say without question that I have picked up more than my fair share of energy and ideas from artists like Frank Lloyd Wright, Richard Avedon, Chip Kidd, Paul Rand, Miles Davis, Jackson Pollack, Kandinsky… The list goes on and on…

Visit the Sticker Shock website to see images from the book, as well as a list of bookstores where you can purchase a copy. You can also buy the book from Amazon.com.

Book details:
Sticker Shock, published by Burbridge Books
112 pages, 80 color images
Price: $15

by Jeffrey Yamaguchi

So New Media came on the independent publishing scene a few years back, quite furiously. The self-described "ultra-micro-mini" publishing venture, launched by Ben Brown and James Stegall, was putting out a flurry of zine-like books, and throwing off-the-hook reading events. The indie press that could was tapping into the talent on the web, publishing writers that had proven themselves with smart, edgy and humorous online writings, and then bringing them all together for live events that added a little punk to the literary equation.

And then, last year, things dropped off a little. So New Media certainly didn’t vanish, but the output of the press noticeably decreased. That’s not at all surprising. These independent publishing ventures are tough to keep going. It’s not just the money issue, or rather the lack there of it. But for all the joys of editing and publishing a cool new book, there’s also the stuffing of envelopes and lots of time in front of a copy machine. Throwing a great literary party entails lots of promotional legwork. When the logistics start to bury all the elements that are fun and inspiring, that’s when these ventures usually begin to move in the opposite direction of furious – towards the fade out.

The good news is, So New Media never quite entered that part of the spectrum, and, for even better news, the engine of the operation is currently getting tuned back up. I caught up with James to get some insight into what’s going on with So New Media, now that it’s no longer "new," so to speak, but entering a phase of renewal. James is also a writer, so I also asked him about the novel he recently finished – The Brick. Interestingly enough, it will be published by Work Riot Press, whose publisher, Jackie Corley, I just interviewed here at Bookmouth.

One thing that really struck me about this interview with James is when he discusses what it means to be a writer, and how to balance that idea, that dream, that label, with a day job and the demands of family and friends and all the usual life stuff. I think it’s something that all writers think about in some form or another, and James’ revelation about what being a writer means to him might serve as a reminder for all of us other writers out there to take stock of where we are in our efforts "to be a writer," whatever that might mean to us individually.

What’s up with So New Media right now? There have been some changes, right? Is Ben Brown still involved?

Ben’s not involved in the day to day stuff anymore. I’ve taken over everything from editing to fulfillment.

SNM went through a bad time for a while where a lot of balls were getting dropped. Ben was doing all the shipping on the catalog, and the production on Claire Zulkey’s Girls! Girls! Girls! and Neal Pollack’s Beneath the Axis of Evil, our two first trade paperbacks, as well as promotion and the Bookpunk shows. I got a job in Germany, so I wasn’t able to help as much as I would have liked. Things got pretty overwhelming.

But I’ve taken over now and am definitely in a rebuilding phase. I’ve taken a step back from trade paperbacks and gone back to the saddle-stapled mini-book format, which always did very well for us because they’re cost effective: we can make and sell them inexpensively and they still look really nice.

I’m trying to rebuild the relationships we were developing, but also be smart about it and keep the growth gradual. I work a lot at my regular job – so I have to keep SNM from overwhelming me, too. I’m very proud of what we managed to build in just a couple years – I think people like what we do and our plan to publish the Web’s best writing lends just a little more legitimacy to the whole online lit thing: the writing deserves to be in print. I couldn’t just let it die, although I thought hard about it – and I think the current low-power mode is better than quitting altogether.

What’s it like operating from another country? With the internet, that is entirely viable… though I imagine the postal fees are higher…

Finding materials to print with is the biggest challenge. Paper is really expensive over here no matter what, and the euro-dollar exchange rate has been abysmal. I end up ordering most everything through the mail. People who sell scrapbook materials on eBay have been a godsend. I’ve learned to ask really detailed questions about paper.

I’m able to use the U.S. Postal system, so that’s a real bonus, although there are constraints on what I can send – and I can’t make any money off anything I mail. So the price of the books is strictly materials and postage – which is fine for me. I’m just happy to be printing the books.

It wouldn’t be possible to do any of it without the internet, either. I use email and FTP to move files, chat to talk with authors, online stores to order materials, Paypal as shopping cart and, of course, the website itself.

I also can’t do the local type of promotion that we were doing in Austin. That just makes it an even more important for authors to be promotion maniacs.

Filling out customs forms is a real pain in the ass, too, but I do it for the love.

One of the So New Media strategies was to publish books by well known web personalities. Is that still the gameplan?

We learned that being an a-lister really doesn’t amount to much if all they’re willing to do is put a link in their site’s sidebar and call that promotion. Anyone can publish their blog now with services like CafePress – so I’m really more interested in establishing a voice for the press. As I look back at three years of publishing, I think we naturally gravitated toward edgier, irreverent yet literary stuff. I like that idea – but the only real criteria I want to hold SNM to is that the books are the best they can be. I’m open to just about anything so long as it moves me.

Having an audience is definitely important – and the fact that we don’t accept submissions is part of that. We search out writers who are supporting the online community by submitting to online journals and doing a little more than simply publishing a website. That’s what the Lit Tracker (sonewpublishing.com/blog/) is all about.

How long did it take you to put together the massive indie media list? Was there ever a point where you wanted to kick yourself for attempting to gather and then hyperlink that list? Is there a longer list out there? I don’t think so…

It took me about a month to build and now it probably needs another month to weed out the dead links. I gathered together a couple lists I knew had gone down using Google’s cache – and Google even saved me when I accidentally deleted all the files. People email occasionally to be added and I hook them up.

What’s the story with your novel, The Brick?

The Brick was in the line-up for publication and got as far as a quote from the printer – then it fell through and was in limbo for a while. Just recently, Jackie Corley asked to read it and has told me she wants to publish it, so it’s going to be a Word Riot Press Book and I couldn’t be happier about. To be published with the likes of Dave Barringer, Brian Ames and Kevin Sampsell gives me a real sense of accomplishment.

We’re still talking about the timeline, but things certainly look better for the story than they did just two months ago.

What was the writing process like with The Brick — how did you stage the cycle from start to finish?

I wrote the novel as a serial, publishing a thousand words at a time, first on Uber.nu and then Serialtext.com. That idea was a great motivator and kept me working on it, because I was getting feedback as I went, and people were into it. When it came time to edit the book as a whole, though, I found myself wading through two years of what were sometimes very different writing styles and a plot that didn’t always make sense to me. So I spent nearly a year ironing out the tone of the book and making sure the story made sense, that it really was a spy thriller and not just something that sounded cool as I was writing it. The book goes a lot of different directions, but I think they all end up at the same place.

I’ll be working through another editing process with Jackie, and Dave Barringer has already volunteered to help me with it. I owe a huge debt to Kevin Fanning, who read the first draft and really helped me shape the novel into what it is now. He asked all the hard questions and let me know when I was totally out in left field. Neal Pollack also helped me out by slogging through the first draft.

The goal with The Brick is that it just be a fun book to read. It’s an adventure, and a conspiracy, and a thriller, with a whole lot of other extra data thrown in to keep the reader, I hope, turning pages. All I want is for people to smile a few times while they’re reading it.

What’s the idea behind Meomore?

Meomore belongs to Beth Stegall, my wife. It’s an art zine that mixes short fiction and graphic design and photography. It’s always an amazing process to watch how she takes all these different submissions and fits them into a stated theme. She’s had a great response with it – but I won’t speak for her too much. She is definitely available for interview, though.

Do you have other projects in development or on the drawing board?

Right now my main focus is getting So New Media back on track. I started the Lit Tracker, a blog that’s a collaboration between Word Riot, Better Non Sequitur and SNM, as well as with several other authors, that tries to track down the best writing we can find online. I wanted to make something that would help define the question of "What is online lit?" and also provide authors with the feedback that spam stole from their email inboxes. I know I would have loved to have been singled out on something like when I first started writing. So far the response has been great and the readership is growing.

I’m trying to get back into the swing of my own writing. The Brick took a big toll on me and my available free time. I work way too much, and trying to balance my family and all the other ideas I have is probably the greatest challenge in my life. They deserve more time than what I give them, and it’s been a hard lesson to realize that. So I’ve made some hard decision recently – I’m in the process of changing careers, trying to get myself pointed in the direction I want to be going, so that I can be true to myself and my family.

What’s some of the best advice you have been given on the craft of writing? How about with publishing?

I used to think it was possible to have a day job and pursue all the things I wanted to really be doing, i.e. writing and publishing, after work. But as time goes on, I’m learning that there just aren’t enough hours in the day, especially when you’re a professional and your job wants every iota of your creativity and heart. And then I need to be the best father and husband I can be on top of that. I’ve learned that you can’t do that – you need to pursue what you love, or you will make everyone around you miserable while you stew in your frustration at the misused time.

I kept wanting to think of myself as a writer, but there were stretches where I didn’t write anything but reports at work. Peter Gadol once told me that I should just write, without thought for where I was going to go so I could find the time to write, or who was going to read it, or what would happen to it. Writers write, and that’s what I’ve lost sight of in the last year. If that’s what I want to be, it’s what I need to constantly be fighting to do, making time, making space, putting words on paper. Otherwise I am not a writer. It’s as simple as that.

The only advice people have given me about publishing is that there isn’t any money in it and it’s hard. Both things are true, but it’s also a lot of fun, and the sense of accomplishment is outstanding. I want to build something that will last, that carves its own niche in this new age of digital media, and I think I’ve taken the first few steps toward doing that.

What book/writer/publisher has most influenced your own publishing efforts?

A guy named Mike Jones at the University of Oregon showed me that with a Mac and a few dedicated people, just about anything print-wise is possible. I’m still using the stuff I learned from the Elixir Magazine crew back in 1996.

I continuously learn new things from the people in this little club of indie publishers, and I am very grateful for their willingness to share and help out however they can. We’re all way too busy to be doing this stuff, but we still do it. I think that’s cause for hope. I’m definitely looking forward to the coming years.

James Stegall’s site | So New Media | Lit Tracker

So New Media’s latest offerings:
Terminally Curious by David Barringer
Twelve Times Lost by Kevin Fanning
Words! Words! Words! Issue 4

Word Riot started out as just one piece of a larger website, the literary component featuring fiction, interviews and reviews. It wasn’t before long that it became its own site, easily earning bookmark status in the vast online literary landscape. Then came the chapbooks. And not too long after the chapbooks came the books, making this one-time component of a website a full-fledged independent publisher. A word riot indeed.

Jackie Corley has led this charge — I remember getting an enthusiastic email from her about a link exchange all those years ago. (Good thing I did the exchange – a link on Word Riot definitely drives a lot more traffic than a link on Bookmouth.com these days.) I thought it would be a good time to check in with her, to see what’s in store for Word Riot in 2005, to get some insights into what she’s learned about independent book publishing, and also, to find out a little more about her own writing endeavors – because, yes, in addition to a full-time job and the Word Riot print and online efforts, she’s working on a novel.

How many books has Word Riot published now? What is the goal for 2005?

Word Riot started out publishing chapbooks and after putting out four of those, I found an excellent short run printer that I could afford and published four paperbacks. 2005 looks like a big year for us. By February, we’ll have Beautiful Blemish, a collection of short stories by Future Tense Books publisher and Portland phenom Kevin Sampsell. This summer, we’ll be releasing Johnny Red, the first novel by the insanely talented and newly-goteed David Barringer. I’m also looking to publish James Stegall’s novel, The Brick, though we still have to work out the details of that.

How do you decide which books to publish? What are the factors that come into play? As a publisher, you have to consider good work, but also, the numbers.

One of the biggest factors is having an author you can work well with. An indy publisher and writer are essentially married to one another for a couple of months — through the editing process, the book design process, the promotion process, etc.

One of the reasons I love working with Dave Barringer is his unwavering dedication to the project at hand. He’ll masochistically self-edit; he’ll whore himself out for promotion; he’ll design fantastic covers. In fact, I’ve commissioned Dave to design other WR book covers. A big part of the reason Publishers Weekly took the time to pick up Brian Ames’ book (which they gave a fantastic review) was because of Dave’s gorgeous cover art.

But honestly, it all comes down to the work. As an independent publisher, you can’t afford to dedicate your time, energy and money to something that doesn’t blow your mind every time you pick it up.

Are you recouping all costs, making money, or operating in the red?

I’d say I’m running slightly in the red after breaking even for the first 1.5 years of WR. I’m pretty cautious about money, but I have been taking more risks lately — doing larger printer runs, taking out ads in bigger publications. These are things I have to do in order to legitimize Word Riot and turn a profit in the future. If it hurts my bank book in the short run, I can deal with it. My personal spending really only extends to cigarettes. I’d rather invest in my company than buy a new pair of jeans.

What has Word Riot’s retail experience been like? Do the books get good placement? Have you ever paid for placement? If you don’t pay for placement, what happens?

The independent bookstores have been really good to us, especially Powells. Kevin Sampsell runs the small press section over there and he can really move books. Independent publishers really have to build and nurture relationships with independent bookstores. Our books aren’t necessarily going to get the attention or placement they should in a Barnes & Noble or Borders. Small presses depend on independent booksellers to keep them alive.

I’ve never paid for placement, though I did start out getting Word Riot books into stores on a consignment basis. I recently established a distribution agreement with Pathway Book Service, so they fulfill book orders to libraries and bookstores. A good review in Publishers Weekly or Booklist usually leads to a number of orders from libraries or bookstores. Customer requests to the book seller is another way library or bookstore orders come in.

Word Riot also sells books on our site, which I mail out. I could use Pathway to handle that end of things, but right now, I still want to be able to gauge individual response to the books we put out.

What’s one thing you have learned publishing the first couple of books that has really helped with the more recent books?

I’ve learned how important a solid distribution system is. Consignment isn’t a bad place to start, but if you want your small press to grow, you have to give it the means to do so. If you have distribution, if you’re listed with Ingram, I do believe that bookstores will take you more seriously.

I have also come to realize how necessary advanced reader copies (ARCs) are. The major book review publications won’t look at a book unless they received an ARC three months before the actual publication date. I can’t stress how important those reviews can be — a Publishers Weekly review is what convinces a bookstore to order and a Booklist review is what convinces a library to do the same.

There’s a lot of discussion on book marketing on lit blogs – Do ads sell books? Or do readings sell books? What’s your best marketing advice?

Book readings are entertainment, though in their conventional form, they are often times a poor form of it. If a writer can “perform” their piece well, the book is going to sell at a reading. But even if you’re not hocking books at a reading, the event can be a great way for an author to gain an audience. And literary readings are quickly gaining popularity because you’ve got a younger generation of curators adding more flavor to the events by bringing in musicians and hosting the readings at bars instead of bookstores.

The greatest feat of bookselling I witnessed was when I caught Adam Voith on tour with folk musician Damian Jurado. Adam served as Damian’s opening act and he read some pieces that he wasn’t able to use in Stand Up, Ernie Baxter: You’re Dead — well-crafted touching, funny stuff. As soon as Adam sat down, people were just lining up for the book. The event took place at Bryn Mawr College and all these well-off, hipster college kids were so eager to pick up an independently published book. There’s a real audience at the college level, where readings have the potential to really move books. I remember a lot of Soft Skull Press authors coming to my little hippy school, Haverford College. Even if books didn’t sell, the authors generate name recognition and word of mouth.

As far as ads go, I haven’t seen much in terms of sales because of ads to say that they really help move books. Ads do, however, help with legitimizing a small press or an independently published book, and that can pay off in the long run.

But honestly, word of mouth is where it’s at. If a popular literary blog runs an item praising a book, that book is going to get legs real fast. Take Maud Newton’s positive reviews of Happy Baby by Stephen Elliott: even if Maud’s readers didn’t run out and buy the book, they certainly became curious about Elliott and his work.

It was interesting to read your MobyLives column about being a young writer with a “kid novel” in the works. Is that debate still raging inside you? It would seem freeing to actually be working on a novel at 22. Not talking about it, but actually doing it. All that marketing buzz about young novelists is just background noise – it mostly just annoys people for the obvious reasons. But the earlier you start writing, the better your writing is going to be over the long haul, right?

Part of the reason the whole young writer-dom thing irks me is because, with ‘normal’ people jobs, youth is an open hand holding horse shit. The only thing youth is worth to most employers is a cheap source of labor. You make your bones and then maybe what you have to say or think becomes important. At least, that’s been my experience as a reporter.

It’s different in the entertainment industry, which the book world inevitably falls into. That’s why these ridiculous little writer spats — which even I have privately made an ass of myself in contributing to — crop up and make gossip columns or blogs. But it’s just words, it’s just a circle jerk.

Youth, like controversy, is a selling point in any entertainment industry. I understand that. It’s not going to change.

But that’s the industry, that’s not the process. Any dedicated writer needs to practice, and the more you practice and the younger you start, the better.

I’m about 45,000 words into my book, but it’s nowhere near finished, so I hesitate to pat myself on the back for being young and working on a novel. When I get the thing done and it’s crafted the way I want it to be, then I’ll be happy.

How do you balance your own writing and publishing goals with all the Word Riot work – the books and the website? What processes or strategies do you use to make sure goals are reached in both areas? Where are the pitfalls?

Lately, it’s been difficult to juggle a full-time job, WR and make time to write fiction. Granted, I write all day for work, so I do get practice, but right now I’m concerned with being a decent journalist and working on WR’s growth. I feel comfortable that the experiences I’m having now will fuel some good fiction for the future.

When I was in college and first starting WR, I used to have a 300-word-a-night requirement for myself and that worked well for quite some time.

I think setting those specific, quantitative goals was helpful to me at the time in terms of learning how to manage my time.

You recently lost a good friend who was also a Word Riot author – Paula Anderson. What was the experience of putting together the tribute on the Word Riot site?

Paula was just such an incredible human being. She was the first author I ever published. While I was putting the tribute together, I would get these emails from her friends and fans and it was incredible to see how her writing really touched people. This was an independently published author. This was somebody very few people have heard of. But she was fucking brilliant and the people who stumbled upon her writing absolutely fell in love with her and her work.

When I attended her memorial service, her aunt read from excerpts of Blood Tender and other members of her family talked about how grateful they were to have this record of her life and writing. I can’t really describe what that meant to me. WR was able to give something to her family. It’s something I’ll be able to look back on the rest of my life and feel both pride and humility about.

You’re part of the line-up for the Jan. 26 Happy Ending Reading Series. What will you be thinking right as you are about to go on stage to read your work?

Where’d I put my fucking beer?

What book/writer/publisher has most influenced your own writing/publishing efforts?

I admire Soft Skull Press and Akashic as innovative independent publishers. They’ve really set the bar for all the littl’n presses — something to aspire to.

My writing influences are pretty trite I guess, but I’m a simple girl. I like Twain, Hemingway, Flannery O’Connor and Robert Penn Warren. The author who has inspired me the most — as reader and aspiring writer — is J.D. Salinger. Yeah, almost every kid has had some sort of religious experience with The Catcher in the Rye, but I think Salinger is vastly underestimated as a short story craftsman. You read Nine Stories and every one of those pieces is structurally brilliant — not one word wasted. If you study those stories as a writer, you can learn a lot.

You can read Jackie’s personal site here. Word Riot is here. Word Riot Press is here.

Imagine having an idea for a journal, and then getting that journal into print. But wait, imagine having the equipment to print that journal yourself. In your very own facility. With like-minded individuals. Keep pushing along this vision to include printing up other people’s work, and publishing other types of books, all the while building up your skills as an innovative designer, printer and publisher.

Ahhhh, to dream. Well, for most of us anyway, but not for the folks at Pinball Publishing. They don’t have to imagine any of it, because it’s part of their day-to-day in their print shop in Portland, OR.

I interviewed Laura Brian, who runs Pinball with her husband Austin, about the origins and current workings of their print and publishing operation. Brian’s responses are both inspiring and no-nonsense — this dream job includes spending days with an accountant’s cap on. Read on, especially if you’ve got an idea that you want to turn into a printed project. Not just for the logistical insights Brian provides, but to get some energy and inspiration from both her words of wisdom and Pinball Publishing’s overall, ongoing story.

Who is Pinball Publishing? How did Pinball Publishing get started?

Pinball Publishing officially began when we bought our first letterpress and paper cutter for $300. This was in the summer of 2001. At that point, my partner Austin Whipple and I wanted to publish an arts & culture magazine entitled Pinball. We thought that if we invested in printing equipment, instead of the printing itself, we might be able to sustain our project. Of course, the equipment we initially acquired was not very useful for publishing. But it was inspiring. Owning a few large pieces of printing equipment meant that we needed a workshop. We scoured the city and lucked into a beautiful storefront on Clinton Street in Southeast Portland. The publishing and printing adventure became public from that point on.

Over the past three years, the project has taken off in ways we couldn’t have predicted. Pinball Publishing now operates an independent literary press and creative printing company. We offer commercial offset and letterpress printing to a growing clientele in the Northwest and beyond. Our specialty is design sensitive, environmentally conscious printing. Primarily, we focus on promotional material, music packaging, and high quality stationery systems. During the evenings, we edit and publish a biannual literary journal titled eye~rhyme, which features new poetry and short fiction. Pinball has also produced two poetry collections (one of which – Copia – was a finalist for the Oregon Book Awards in 2003). Our third, a book length poem by Joshua Wilkenson, is coming out in early 2005.

The day-to-day operations are managed by my husband Austin and myself. Our publishing projects are assisted by our third editor CD Phillips, and our wonderful intern Cielo Lutino.

What was the original vision? Was it always to be a printer and a publisher? How has the venture evolved?

The original vision grew out of our work on eye~rhyme. The desire was to expand our interests in design, writing, and printing into something more elaborate. We actually wanted a small business, but we didn’t refer to it as such in the beginning. Our original plan did include printing all of our publications, and that’s certainly still the case. What’s more surprising is how much of our time is dedicated to printing other people’s projects. We run a creative, commercial print shop, and that basically takes up 75% of our time. Some days I’m more of an accountant than anything else, but it’s all very satisfying. We’ve just relocated our shop to a bigger space. It’s amazing. I feel very fortunate to have it. The venture is continually evolving as we learn more about printing, distribution, business planning, and design. We try to use our business as a way to put our interests to the test.

How does a small press like Pinball – which has overhead and equipment to maintain, among many other expenses and headaches I am sure – compete in a playing field that involves gigantic, billion-dollar corporations that have huge marketing budgets and get big volume/clout price breaks?

We aren’t competitive with larger publishers, and we’re not trying to be. If we were, we’d be destined for disappointment. You’re always better off creating your own space, and your own definitions of success. When you’re independent, you are free to do that. It’s true that some independent publishing ventures will make waves in mainstream media, and that’s excellent. However, some of them won’t, ever. But that doesn’t necessarily devalue their work. Literature isn’t something that we can judge instantly as a society. It takes time to recognize the lasting value of a book. Defining its value solely in monetary terms leaves many amazing writers out of the equation. It’s very dangerous to only publish (or read) bestsellers. Small and mid size presses are critical to the health of the literary community.

I’m very thankful that we have managed to eke out a space to participate in the process of publishing books. As a small press, we try to keep our goals realistic. We do publish small runs, and have limited, but growing distribution. We survive because we are able to subsidize our projects with our printing business. You have to start where you are, wherever that may be. We happen to have a knack for design, and mechanical solutions. If I waited for the perfect opportunity or “competitive” situation to arise, I would probably never try anything new, particularly as as it relates to book publishing. I’m proud of what we’ve accomplished, and I can’t wait to see what’s around the corner. It’s been a financial struggle at times, but I think it almost always is for most businesses. It can be really challenging to quantify creativity. I think we ride the line well most days. I’ve determined that “Gigantic” and “Billion dollar” are not always indicators of well managed businesses, or even profitability. They certainly aren’t sustainable in most cases. We’re more interested in small gains. Big dreams keep you going, but unrealistic projects keep you down.

What are some of the innovative things you are doing on the print end – what is attracting clients to your shop?

We’re very hands-on, and committed to producing beautiful things. Our shop uses the best materials like 100% recycled papers, and soy based inks. We aim to work with design sensitive clients. Since we’re designers ourselves, I think we bridge the gap between design and production more effectively than some printers. We’re very friendly, which is surprisingly absent in much of the printing industry. We collaborate often with other creative projects in our area. This spreads the word about our services to like-minded people and keys-them-in to the fact that we value creativity and community.

What are some of the things you like people to think about as they approach a print project? For example, what should a person who wants to print a collection of poems be thinking about in terms of a printed book?

I think people should begin by analyzing the components of books they really like. Break down the elements used in the book (or CD package, or poster for that matter). Really look at the typography, the colors, the textures, the paper. Good design is ultimately about good solutions, and these solutions need to keep the actual production in mind. Something may look good on screen, but that won’t always translate into a strong printed piece. Have a strong concept to begin with, and pay close attention to the details. Listen to your printer! Keep it simple if you do not have a large budget. Book production can be very expensive, and there is nothing worse than over-doing it with the design, and then having to scrimp in the production.

What are some unique print jobs out there that you really admire? Not just books, but cd packaging, envelopes – whatever. Where should people who are interested in unique designs be looking for ideas?

I really, really love the new John Cassavetes – Five Films DVD box set. It’s absolutely gorgeous. Superb packaging for an amazing body of work.

I’m a big fan of the Ugly Duckling Presse out of Brooklyn. I especially like the letterpress printing on the cover of the book Poker. I just bought Poker at the New Orleans Book Fair, and I already cherish it.

Unique ideas for design can be found just about anywhere. I find them in the recycling bin, nature, film, hand painted signage… The list goes on. Just start looking closely at things, something striking will emerge, I guarantee it.

How did the eye~rhyme project come about? Already on issue #6. You’ve got quite a line-up in this recent issue. How does the experimental journal come together?

eye~rhyme was founded by Austin Whipple and CD Phillips in 1999. Austin was in design school at Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, and Chip was working on his Ph.D in American Literature at Claremont Graduate School. They wanted to merge their interests in writing and design by collaborating on a literary journal. I was overseas, so I didn’t get involved until issue #3. We had a few early lapses in our publishing schedule, but have been steady since the opening of Pinball Publishing.

Creating each issue is a rather organic process. We set deadlines, but we don’t always meet them. We receive a great deal of submissions, some solicited, some not. We meet to discuss the writing. We make our decisions about what to include. We edit. We compile the biography page. We print. We admire stacks of eye~rhyme fresh from the bindery. We host readings and release parties. We try to spread the word as best we can. We travel with boxes of eye~rhyme. We give them away sometimes. Then, we get really excited by an unexpected gem of a short story and start planning the next issue.

Our next issue “Roses are Red“, #7, is an all Portland issue and is due out in December. Issue 8 will come out mid 2005, and we’d like to call this one “Portraits.”

What is the plan on moving into publishing full-length novels?

We are actively seeking a fiction manuscript to publish in 2005. We are also interested in publishing a short story collection. This is new territory for us, since we have only published eye~rhyme and poetry collections so far. I’m hopeful that we will find the right manuscript for both these projects in the next year.

What book/writer/publisher has most influenced your own publishing efforts?

Black Sparrow Press. Grove Press. Early McSweeney’s to name a few. I really like Clear Cut Press out of Astoria, Oregon, and J & L illustrated, partially because of their exquisite production values. Have you ever seen the book A Secret Location on the Lower East Side? It chronicles the adventures of underground publishing in the US from 1960-1980. Every project in that book is an inspiration in some way–From City Lights to Fuck You: a Magazine of the Arts. I basically get excited every time I go to Reading Frenzy (small press bookstore in Portland) or look online at buyolympia.com. People are inherently creative, and it is very reassuring to see that force at work in the small press community.

Visit Pinball Publishing’s website, consider subscribing to eye~rhyme, and if you’ve got a printing project on the horizon, check out the online price guide or request a quote.

The new year. Time to wipe the slate clean and get started anew. Time to let go of the anxiety about all the stuff you didn’t get done, and at the very same time, commemorate and celebrate all that you accomplished in the last 365 days. Time for resolutions, to look out on the year ahead and figure out how to make it yours. Time to make lists, write a long journal entry, take a hard look at all the unfinished business, to figure out what’s worth leaving behind and what needs to get back on the high-priority fast track. And of course there are the new ideas. The start of the new year is the perfect time to put the spotlight around all those inspired new ideas firing up inside your head. It’s time to get to work.

I was looking to kick off the new year with an inspirational entry, and I have the good fortune of being able to publish an interview with Keri Smith, an inspired and inspiring author and illustrator who, in many ways, encourages a New Year kind of day — with all its resolutions and revelations and celebrations — every single day of the year.

So, whether you have yet to make your resolutions or you are crystal clear on what you plan to accomplish in the upcoming year, Smith’s insights in the following interview — about making lists, failure, and beginning RIGHT NOW — are a great read for the start 2005.

What is it like to read the comments on your website’s journal section? So many people write in to say how inspiring your words are…

An interesting question. It’s a bit of a catch 22 at times. On one hand I really value the feedback that it gives. My career is a rather solitary endeavor, with long hours spent in the studio alone. So it feels good to see people responding to my work on a regular basis, a rather new phenomenon in the scheme of things. I really enjoy the interaction with like-minded individuals, and have made many new friends through the site, (something that I am incredibly grateful for.) There are two downsides as I see it. It is a common thing to start to gage one’s success with a post or a piece of writing by how many comments one receives, (this is not a positive thing in my opinion, I do not want to ‘cater’ my writing to a market, and so I try to not let it impact me as best as I can.) Secondly, as with any published media the audience is seeing only a selective portion of an author’s life, and makes an image based on that. So there can be a tendency to idealize or make assumptions about a person. So there have been many times when I have been uncomfortable with being "an expert." My hope with the blog and the website is that people read about my process and somewhere see bits of themselves. Maybe they go away with an idea or a small shift in perception. The root of the word "educate" is "deuk", which means "tug" or "pull", while I am not trying to educate people I really like the image of my writings (or drawings) acting as a little tug at someone, accessing their own ideas. No one has all the answers. I will share my opinions but what works for me may not work for others. I too have many times searched for someone who can tell me how to be successful, but acknowledge that we are taught to trust the experts more than ourselves in our culture. I want to invent a new school where the students learn how to trust themselves and honor their instincts above all else.

I go on long runs to clear my head. I find that it helps me sort of disconnect the wires of logistics and opens up to the purity of an idea, so that I can see what I am really getting at with a story or project. How do step aside from the logistics of a creative project and see through to the ideas?

Ha, we are of the same philosophy. The thing that works for me every time (even though I fight it sometimes) is a very long walk in the woods, at least a couple of hours. The first hour of walking my brain is the dominating force. Thinking, controlling, forcing, pushing. After about an hour or so I can feel it start to slow. I start to breathe a little deeper. This is when the good stuff begins to come in, the intuitive stuff. I have often said that the best ideas just "present" themselves, but you have to give them the space to show up.

When was the last time you made Creativity Soup? (Note: Creativity Soup involves making your favorite soup, setting an elegant table, then eating the soup while reflecting on five things you would like to do in your lifetime. Complete details can be found on page 45 of Smith’s book Living Out Loud.)

I am an avid soup maker, many times using it as a way of just getting out of my head and being in the present. In fact I think I’m going to make some today. It’s a beautiful metaphor, adding things to a pot to create something that nourishes the body and feeds the soul at the same time.

What is the Story in a Box project? (It’s a link on your website, but I am not sure the link works…)

Story in a Box is a book project I did a few years ago with Chronicle books. (I had to take the site down because it got picked up by several sites in Asia and was getting over 200,000 hits a day, read: the bandwidth was costing way too much.) It was an idea the evolved out of my childhood, a small box containing a story, a paper doll with stick-on clothes, and a pop up room. There were two titles in the series: Cinderella and The Princess and the Pea. I really had a lot of fun with it, and found myself obsessed with creating small "portable worlds". You can find it at any of the major online bookstores (Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Chapters).

People often get caught up in the idea of failure when it comes to artistic projects. Failure, though, is simply part of the process, though of course it is not always so easy to see it that way and just shrug it off. How do you handle failure?

It would be very easy to say that we must somehow "shrug it off" or work at reframing it as a positive. In the past I might have said we must alter our perception of it so as not to perceive it as a failure. The truth is that we are human and consequently experience a variety of emotions. I believe in the past I was trying to deny some of the emotions I had about things, cover them up with happy words, or not look at them closely. Through much of my reading and learning I am beginning to allow feelings to come up no matter what they are. If I experience a perceived "failure" now I will allow myself to cry, feel somewhat devastated for a time, scream "this sucks," and maybe hide for a day or so. Then I will emerge with red eyes and start to see that things are not as bad as I thought, and I am o.k. even in those times that feel devastating. Tomorrow I will get up and start again. I have had projects killed, manuscripts rejected, major editing done to my work, been "fired" because the work was not suitable, etc. It does affect the self esteem even when you don’t want it too, even though you KNOW it’s not personal. But only for a short time. The feelings pass and the confidence seeps in again. Every artist I know feels at various times that other people are doing it better than them.

I do make a practice now to not participate in behaviors that cause me to feel inadequate, i.e. reading awards annuals compulsively, comparing my work with others, entering competitions, etc. These things do not help me and so I try to limit them as much as possible.

I love lists, but sometimes I write too many things down and feel a bit overwhelmed by what I want to get done. These aren’t life dream lists, but just weekend to-do lists. What’s your advice for making a list?

Don’t put too many things on the list. As creative people it is really important to experience the feeling of accomplishment. This is a great gift to yourself. As someone who has always had difficulty finishing projects I found it important to make the tasks more doable (shorter, less time consuming). I have a short attention span and I learned to use that to my advantage. I could not sit down to write an entire book, (way too overwhelming), but I could do an essay. My whole book was written that way. Look at your personality and work with it, not against it. Many times it is the trying to do too much that stops us, try to do less and see what happens.

What is some advice — in terms of finding creativity — you have given but have a hard time following yourself?

I giggled at this one. ALL OF IT. You know the saying, "Teach that which you most need to learn"? Sometimes I read my own tips and think, Man, I forgot about that one. I read my own book and think, Who wrote this?, I would like to meet this person. They must really have it together. As an artist every year I feel like I know less and less, but I FEEL more and more. I am very happy about this, because the really good work in my opinion comes from learning how to express yourself and develop your own language. I am not so concerned about being right as I am about just BEING. You must throw pieces of your heart into the fire, into whatever you choose to do. This is a scary feeling. But that is the good stuff, the stuff that will bring you the most joy.

"How to make a living doing what you love" — I really love that essay. I think the best bit of advice in that piece is to "BEGIN NOW!!!", because "circumstances will never be perfect." Begin now — it can be that simple, right? As long as you get started, then you are on your way. But if you never start, then you’re just waiting for more ideal circumstances that will never truly be ideal. What got you to "BEGIN NOW!!!"?

When I finished art school I saw many people who would not go out with their portfolios because they felt that they were not finished, or complete. I saw them working on them and waiting for the time when they would be "sellable." I too felt that my work was not ready but I decided that I would take my book out anyway. Interestingly the art directors would inevitably choose the work that I felt was mediocre as the pieces they liked the best, and I learned a great lesson in that. That I am not always the best judge of my work, that I am often hard on myself, and picky. And so I made a decision to work on just getting it out. There are many stories of people waiting for the right situation, the right workspace, the money, the confidence. These things may never show up. Try doing it anyway.

Why do you think some people say, "I’m not a creative person."?

Often it is that someone told them this when they were younger. We all carry these labels around with us that we accumulated over our lives, can’t sing, never finishes anything, shy, not creative. Many times we remember exactly who said these things to us. It is up to us as adults to challenge these labels and recognize that the people who said them to us were speaking from their own fears and shortcomings. For many "being creative" is thought to be for the artist only, while the truth is that there are many presentations of creativity. There is a great children’s book called The Dot which explains this concept, in which a child who believes they are not creative does a series of paintings of "dots" that cause quite a stir. We can apply creativity to virtually anything. Many of the people who tell me they are not creative did poorly in art class in grade school, maybe because they couldn’t draw well. So they accepted that label and believed that art was not for them. Drawing is one way of being creative but there are thousands of others. One friend of mine who regularly declared she was not creative had a wonderful knack for arranging her home to make it feel cozy and welcoming. Another friend has a gift for recognizing patterns, in nature, in man-made things. I was told that I had a terrible voice by a couple of friends in grade six, resulting in my not singing in public for years. As an adult I decided to challenge this belief and joined a theatre group. I’ve learned that I can actually sing quite well, and that I really love it.

What are you working on now?

I just completed another activity book entitled Tear up this Book for 8-12 year olds. It will be released in spring 2005 by American Girl. Currently I am working on a new book, a follow-up to Living Out Loud which is similar in ways but also quite different. I am wanting to have more of a "lead by example" approach as opposed to a dogmatic one.

The topic that I am most interested in is one that I have been giving many lectures on lately. It is based on the idea that all great artists and designers have many forms of "side projects," things that they do just for fun (and for themselves). These projects take many different forms which vary from the commonplace (journal writing – Frida Kahlo, ink drawings – Victor Hugo), to the bizarre, (shoe sole rubbings – Steven Gurnaccia, purse contents – Maira Kalman). In my talk I showed many examples of these projects. Many times these strange side projects turn into an artist’s great work, which is really the point to me. This is the thing that I wrote about in Living Out Loud, that when we play, we get in touch with our greatest ideas. So the lectures are about giving people ideas of what "play" means. And also to encourage creatives to stop thinking about a "target audience" (a sure sign for dull and contrived work in my opinion). What really moves you and makes you unable to sleep at night? What gives you the most joy?

What book/writer/artist has most influenced your own artistic efforts?

As I’m sure you have guessed it would be nearly impossible for me to narrow it down to one person, I am the sum of many parts. The short list, May Sarton, Anais Nin, Henry Miller, Linda Montgomery (a teacher from art school), Ross Mendes (another teacher from art school), Charles and Rae Eames, Corita Kent, my grandmother Hannah Irene Legrow, a group of creative women who were my mother’s best friends (whom I call the Yaya’s), Jefferson Pitcher (my husband), Maira Kalman, Tibor Kalman, Beatrice Wood, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Carl Jung.

Visit Keri Smith’s website, and be sure to check out her books:
Living Out LoudAmazon.com | Powells.com
Story in a Box: The Princess and the PeaAmazon.com | Powells.com
Story in a Box: CinderellaAmazon.com | Powells.com

Here’s an additional interview with Keri at Another Girl At Play.

And be sure to read Keri’s advice on How To Be A Guerilla Artist.